Comments on: The Vision for Space Exploration: A Brief History (Part 1) http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-vision-for-space-exploration-a-brief-history-part-1/ Fri, 03 Aug 2018 06:04:06 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.8 By: Buzz Moons Lunar Return | Spudis Lunar Resources Blog http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-vision-for-space-exploration-a-brief-history-part-1/#comment-3420 Mon, 28 Jul 2014 13:52:09 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=36#comment-3420 […] it’s the oft-repeated straw man argument when space missions, money and motives are debated. As I have detailed many times, the true purpose of the VSE was to return to the Moon with the goal of learning how to live and […]

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By: Cis-Lunar – “The Vision for Space Exploration” – Paul Spudis | Space Resources Extraction Technology, Inc. http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-vision-for-space-exploration-a-brief-history-part-1/#comment-3267 Mon, 07 Jul 2014 13:19:26 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=36#comment-3267 […] with a rational and sustained development of the infrastructure from Earth to the moon.  His five-part series describes the history of the plan and suggests what the government’s role should be to provide […]

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By: Direction for Space Needed | Spudis Lunar Resources http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-vision-for-space-exploration-a-brief-history-part-1/#comment-232 Sat, 08 Dec 2012 17:23:47 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=36#comment-232 […] the NRC to undertake this study in 2011 in response to the administration discarding the 2004 Vision for Space Exploration (VSE) – a move undertaken without consulting Congress.  In place of the VSE vague notions were […]

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By: A History of the George W. Bush Vision for Space Exploration (VSE) by Paul Spudis | Spaceflight Chronicles http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-vision-for-space-exploration-a-brief-history-part-1/#comment-202 Thu, 22 Nov 2012 00:15:55 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=36#comment-202 […] Spudis used five blog entries. It is a priceless history of that important initiative and it takes it all the way to […]

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By: After the Vision: What Next? | Spudis Lunar Resources http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-vision-for-space-exploration-a-brief-history-part-1/#comment-149 Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:01:40 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=36#comment-149 […] that would have opened the door to a wide variety of previously unobtainable missions.  In this five-part series to establish and clarify the history and intent of the VSE, I’ve shared my insider’s […]

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By: Paul Spudis http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-vision-for-space-exploration-a-brief-history-part-1/#comment-132 Fri, 02 Nov 2012 22:14:30 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=36#comment-132 Doug,

It would still need to lug the heat shield up and down from the lunar surface but it means no transferring of crew and perhaps a straight shot from Moon to LEO (no stops) in a medical emergency.

Stopping at the L-points or low lunar orbit to transfer crew does not significantly add to the transit time from the Moon to the Earth. There are significant mass penalties to lug the Earth-return heat shield down to the lunar surface and back.

what about humans not having their own landers but traveling on the same craft that had transported cargo

No problem in principle — it just decreases your possible landed payload on the Moon. It’s not simply the mass of the crew — it’s also their necessary life support systems that reduce the useable payload.

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By: DougSpace http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-vision-for-space-exploration-a-brief-history-part-1/#comment-128 Thu, 01 Nov 2012 21:13:10 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=36#comment-128 What about a single stage from lunar surface to LEO and back but which would refuel at a depot at L1 going and maybe returning (to the Moon). It would still need to lug the heat shield up and down from the lunar surface but it means no transferring of crew and perhaps a straight shot from Moon to LEO (no stops) in a medical emergency.

Also, what about humans not having their own landers but traveling on the same craft that had transported cargo (automated landing but the astronauts could take over in a pinch)?

Also, it would mean one less vehicle to develop and test.

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By: Joe http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-vision-for-space-exploration-a-brief-history-part-1/#comment-114 Thu, 25 Oct 2012 21:16:26 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=36#comment-114 Dennis Ray Wingo commented on The Vision for Space Exploration: A Brief History (Part 1).
“Even more doable is a single stage to orbit (Low Lunar Orbit) system that would require even less delta V and a LOT less in terms of support equipment to keep a crew alive for the trip to and from EML-X. I am really beginning to like the Gilruith idea of the open cockpit lander which would further reduce the requirements and result in a system with a hell of a view to boot!”

It would certainly provide a “hell of a view to boot” but it would also create a number of interesting problems when the time came to transfer the crew to the (presumably) pressurized orbiting vehicle. Since the crew would have to be wearing EVA Suits:
– How would the open cabin lander be secured to the orbiting vehicle?
– Would the crew be on umbilical or be using Portable Life Support Systems (PLSS).
– If the orbiting vehicle is designed anything like the Orion (or any of the commercial crew vehicles) the only access hatches will not allow the surface area for transfer.
– If umbilicals were to be used a fairly complicated choreography of mating/demating umbilicals would be required (I worked on this for Constellation Systems – as an emergency procedure if they could not get a good pressure seal between the two vehicles) and that is not something anyone would want to do on a routine basis.

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By: Dennis Ray Wingo http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-vision-for-space-exploration-a-brief-history-part-1/#comment-113 Thu, 25 Oct 2012 19:17:36 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=36#comment-113 Even more doable is a single stage to orbit (Low Lunar Orbit) system that would require even less delta V and a LOT less in terms of support equipment to keep a crew alive for the trip to and from EML-X.

I am really beginning to like the Gilruith idea of the open cockpit lander which would further reduce the requirements and result in a system with a hell of a view to boot!

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By: Paul Spudis http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-vision-for-space-exploration-a-brief-history-part-1/#comment-112 Thu, 25 Oct 2012 19:14:10 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=36#comment-112 Matt,

Yes and I am aware of and will attest to that. I met many good, competent people within the agency that were excited about the VSE and worked their butts off to see it accomplished. But there were also many in middle management who actively worked against it from the beginning. I am trying here to relate the story from my own perspective. I know that others will see some things differently, but I wanted to record some of these lesser known events before they get lost forever. Thanks for reading it and for your supportive comments.

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