Comments on: The NRC Report – A Missed Opportunity http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-nrc-report-a-missed-opportunity/ Fri, 03 Aug 2018 06:04:06 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.8 By: Robert Clark http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-nrc-report-a-missed-opportunity/#comment-3199 Wed, 25 Jun 2014 15:06:14 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=866#comment-3199 Another possibility is applying shrink-wrap to the astronauts spacesuit every time they go out. This would be disposable and removed before they enter the living quarters.

Bob Clark

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By: Joe http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-nrc-report-a-missed-opportunity/#comment-3189 Tue, 24 Jun 2014 18:15:51 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=866#comment-3189 The hard suit you are referring to appears to be the AX-5 suit design developed by Hubert (Vic) Vykukal of the Ames Research Center. The suit was a contender to be used in the Space Station Freedom (now ISS) program, but was not selected for a number of reasons including:
– Crew Comfort
– Weight
– Cost

It was decided to continue using the basic Pressure Garment Assembly (PGA) from the shuttle program. However, the new low torque bearing design that Vykukal developed for the AX-5 was incorporated into an upgraded version of the Shuttle PGA for use on both the Shuttle and ISS. Vykukal is a brilliant designer and those bearings are terrific.

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/multimedia/images/2010/iotw/ax_5_astronaut.html

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By: Michael Wright http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-nrc-report-a-missed-opportunity/#comment-3188 Tue, 24 Jun 2014 16:13:30 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=866#comment-3188 Reading John Young’s book “Forever Young” he wrote about spacesuits getting larger and heavier but with new materials developed since Apollo, they should work on smaller lighter spacesuits. John also wrote, “JSC is still wanting their monster suit.”

However, about 10 or 15 years ago their was a prototype suit that Ames was developing, it wasn’t small but hardshell design means no need to acclimate to reduced pressure like they do now.

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By: Chris Castro http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-nrc-report-a-missed-opportunity/#comment-3183 Tue, 24 Jun 2014 09:00:39 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=866#comment-3183 @Joe;……..Yeah, so much good new research & planning was underway, during the Constellation project’s years of being alive, 2004 to 2010. Isn’t it an immense shame, that all those technology & systems studies, on planet-reaching & planetary-surface operations had to be terminated as well?! In any event, the written reports about those laboratory studies, should ideally come out, and be reviewed by the space engineering community & space interest community. Prototypes for new space-suits, new lunar roving cars, & dust management methods for use on board landers, will all be significant data reports, relevant when the time in the future arrives, that a manned Moon initiative is finally realistic & officially supported by the government, again.

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By: Joe http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-nrc-report-a-missed-opportunity/#comment-3173 Mon, 23 Jun 2014 14:33:23 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=866#comment-3173 Mitigation techniques for the problem were in work under Constellation Systems when it was cancelled.

One to add to your list is the suit port concept where the Pressure Garment Assembly (PGA) would remain outside the pressurized volume except when maintenance was required.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20130013652.pdf

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By: Chris Castro http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-nrc-report-a-missed-opportunity/#comment-3172 Mon, 23 Jun 2014 12:12:00 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=866#comment-3172 It was pointed out that some kind of dust-management equipment would be needed for Lunar expeditions which lasted any longer than the Apollo ones did. Some sort of magnetic vacuum-cleaners could perhaps be used in the air-lock chambers, for minimizing the amount of regolith dust being trailed into the main cabin areas, of the landers & habitation modules, plus reduce the amounts that could linger on the space-suits, particularly at the joint & seal points.

Grappling with this gritty dust issue on the Moon first, would be most wise. Can you imagine if a straight-to-the-Red-Planet, spaceflight roadmap would prevail, and our astronauts have to first face this problem on an ultra-long Mars expedition, instead? The Mars enthusiasts are being very naive, with their assumptions that a human landing & surface stay there, would be an easy cakewalk, from-the-outset!

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By: Chris Castro http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-nrc-report-a-missed-opportunity/#comment-3165 Sun, 22 Jun 2014 05:13:44 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=866#comment-3165 Intriguing article! At around the same time frame, “Astronomy” magazine had a similar article, noting the dangers that could be posed by the regolith dust.

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By: Why We’re Not Going To Mars | Spudis Lunar Resources Blog http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-nrc-report-a-missed-opportunity/#comment-3145 Fri, 20 Jun 2014 19:27:08 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=866#comment-3145 […] ← The NRC Report – A Missed Opportunity […]

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By: Chris Castro http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-nrc-report-a-missed-opportunity/#comment-3116 Thu, 19 Jun 2014 12:11:12 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=866#comment-3116 Having an astronaut team emplaced on the Moon, and surviving adequately for multiple weeks, will be the ideal test of space surface-module systems. Also ideal, will be the concept of leaving unattended, parked in lunar orbit, of the main trans-lunar craft, for the duration of the surface stay. This alone would be a big test of our space vehicle capabilities, something that has never been done before. Even if on the beginning expeditions we were to use a Command Module Pilot, to fly a solo vigil there, for cautionary reasons, while our vehicles are being first tested, and the surface-stay times are short enough.

Plus, the landing of an unmanned cargo lander————a variant of the regular crew lander, minus the ascent engine requirement————–in advance of the crew’s arrival, would also be a brilliant development, which has never been acheived before. (Another flight plan, would be to have this cargo-only version arrive in Low Lunar Orbit, while astronauts are in another orbiter vehicle, during a lunar trip, and have the unmanned cargo vehicle landed under the supervision of them, for improved chances of success. The base or equipment module could then be used by that crew or the next one to be sent out.)

All of these items are much-needed capabilities, which’ll be needed in advance of ANY interplanetary manned trip. We’ve been squandering & wasting so much valuable time & effort in mere Low Earth Orbit, when all the while the REAL challenging destination has been looming in the night sky, a three-days trip away!

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By: Joe http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-nrc-report-a-missed-opportunity/#comment-3110 Wed, 18 Jun 2014 19:27:53 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=866#comment-3110 Modular yes, so in that sense it was like the ISS, but much larger.

The launch vehicle would have been an HLV based on the Saturn V, so each of the cylindrical modules would have been a little larger than the Skylab.

There would have been Pseudo Gravity. Notice that it is symmetric around its axis. In fact one of the plot lines of the movie involved having to temporarily stop the habitats rotation.

The station was part of an overall architecture (in the Rockwell studies) that would have eventually included a lunar base with mining capabilities. The whole system was to eventually grow to support large applications satellites and interplanetary vehicles.

The movie was a pilot for a proposed series (it did not sell) called “The Olympians” that would have followed the development of those capabilities.

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