Comments on: The New Space Resources Law – Close But No Cigar http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-new-space-resources-law-close-but-no-cigar/ Fri, 03 Aug 2018 06:04:06 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.8 By: Mark R. Whittington http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-new-space-resources-law-close-but-no-cigar/#comment-4963 Tue, 01 Dec 2015 06:48:34 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=1297#comment-4963 As a practical matter, I suspect that large scale mining of lunar resources will not start until a customer base for them is operating in space. Some of these companies are focusing on ice as a first target. NASA, among others, would be a core customer if and when it starts getting serious about operating in deep space, including the moon and Mars,

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By: Billgamesh http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-new-space-resources-law-close-but-no-cigar/#comment-4962 Mon, 30 Nov 2015 23:51:44 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=1297#comment-4962 It is not wishful thinking if the facts concerning Human Space Flight Beyond Low Earth Orbit (HSF-BLEO) is considered.

Every wonder why the space station to nowhere is in LEO and not GEO? It is not because the Space Shuttle could not reach GEO (well it couldn’t but that is beside the point). We could have built a shuttle system to transport humans to GEO but it was never even considered because……humans cannot survive for any length of time in GEO due to the radiation environment. It is rarely mentioned we almost lost an Apollo crew to a solar storm. Any long duration human-crewed mission BLEO requires massive shielding. Not just because of solar storms but also because of cosmic radiation. Though not as severe as deep space, GEO cosmic radiation exposure is significantly higher than LEO.

Radiation is square one. Telecommunications satellites are presently the only significant revenue generator. If we want to replace the present satellite junkyard with human technicians maintaining telecommunications platforms on GEO platforms then thousands of tons of shielding would be required. Lifting thousands of tons of tapwater into GEO from Earth is a non-starter. But lifting hundreds of thousands of tons of water from the lunar surface is comparatively simple and economical.

The ice on the Moon is the critical resource for establishing any human presence Beyond Low Earth Orbit.

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By: Michael Wright http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-new-space-resources-law-close-but-no-cigar/#comment-4961 Mon, 30 Nov 2015 19:42:44 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=1297#comment-4961 My 2 cents regarding space resources and mining. Someone posted on another forum, “Until you have a bill of materials you can order from McMaster-Carr, it’s wishful thinking.” However, if we are going to debate, then I say mine the Moon first as it’s only three days away and very predictable. Asteroids are interesting but either too far out there or we don’t know much about a specific rock. Mars, put that planet to rest (it’s a “bridge too far”)

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By: Billgamesh http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-new-space-resources-law-close-but-no-cigar/#comment-4960 Sun, 29 Nov 2015 00:04:03 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=1297#comment-4960 http://www.wired.com/2014/03/europa-flyby-mission/

What about Culbertson; he is the most space motivated one of all I think. If wants to go to Europa he has to go by way of the Moon.

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By: Joe http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-new-space-resources-law-close-but-no-cigar/#comment-4959 Sat, 28 Nov 2015 23:19:46 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=1297#comment-4959 Cool!

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By: gbaikie http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-new-space-resources-law-close-but-no-cigar/#comment-4958 Sat, 28 Nov 2015 23:19:32 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=1297#comment-4958 –There are many reasons I advocate a return to the Moon as our next national goal in space and one reason, not often considered, is the establishment of an American right of access to space and its resources. The U.S. Commercial Space Launch Competitiveness Act, despite appearances, does not establish this right. Laws that we pass are not binding on other nations or entities outside the boundaries of the United States. Ultimately, future disputes (and make no mistake, there will be some, despite the best intentions of all parties) must be settled between entities of comparable status and between their parent nations. Thus, I contend that we must have “skin in the game” at an international level, not only at the corporate one.–

I think America should continue it’s tradition of human rights. And it’s a human right to have access to space and it’s resources.
But I think US government does need skin in the game. And I see US leading in that regard by exploring the Moon to determine if and where there is minable water.
I don’t think it’s likely, but I don’t want the private sector to start off by exploring the moon to determine if and where there is minable water on the Moon. Or it’s enormous risk to spend billions of dollars to answer that question, and some private party does this and is successful at such a discovery, it seems to muddy the water in terms of what rights that private entity is entitled. Whereas if US government does this initial exploration and publishes the results, then that would better. And of course following this one could have lot’s exploration done by private sector. But the exploration would have to do finding different or better spots to mine, rather “exploring the Moon”. So if private sector finds specific locations, that doesn’t seem like a problem. And one has same issue with Mars.

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By: gbaikie http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-new-space-resources-law-close-but-no-cigar/#comment-4957 Sat, 28 Nov 2015 22:56:37 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=1297#comment-4957 –If a private company engaged in some activity that involved exploitation of an extraterrestrial resource of limited extent (e.g., a rich deposit of ice on the Moon near permanent sunlight) and their possession of that resource was challenged by some nation-state present nearby, how might the American government react? Presumably, peaceful diplomatic means would be pursued at first, but then when they can’t-don’t-won’t agree, then what?–

In the near term, it seems lunar water mining will occur in small region of the Moon and require small regions of the Moon. Rather than a water deposit, I think the rights regards the limited area of the ethereal peaks of light are more likely to become like the land claims disputes of South China Sea. And things like a solar array shading other areas could become problematic in terms land rights. Plus the peaks could be a hub regarding lunar water mining.
The long term solution is to have a lunar government,
And I think any entity [other than legitimate lunar government- and their claim would also be limited in terms of the Moon] which attempts to claim “too much land” should be challenged- whether it’s the Chinese or Google.

I don’t think there is any scarcity in regards to the Moon in terms of water deposits- unless one is claiming land or water deposits, which one can’t use within say 50 years.
Or mining water on the Moon will open this solar system, and expect in distant future that the Moon will import millions of tonnes of water per year and that water will be cheap, because the Moon has opened the solar system and water in the solar system is very abundant as compared to water on Earth.

I think the whole point of exploring the Moon is to find when would lunar water deposits be minable- it could be now, it will be eventually. But in terms space policy and NASA policy to sooner the Moon is explored the better [particularly if NASA wants to explore Mars].

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By: Paul Spudis http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-new-space-resources-law-close-but-no-cigar/#comment-4956 Sat, 28 Nov 2015 22:27:17 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=1297#comment-4956 Has Senator Cruz been given any information on Lunar Development concepts?

Yes — I’ve met with his staffers and given them a brief on my cislunar development concepts.

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By: Joe http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-new-space-resources-law-close-but-no-cigar/#comment-4955 Sat, 28 Nov 2015 22:06:11 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=1297#comment-4955 Interesting point (at least to me).

This bill’s primary sponsor in the Senate was Senator Ted Cruz (R-Texas).

Staying out of Presidential Politics, he is currently Chairman of one of the key committees in the Senate in charge of the NASA Budget.

He has also made reference to wanting there to be more emphasis on HSF in the NASA Budget and being willing to consider changes in NASA’s internal priorities to achieve that goal. Those references have been vague and centered on Mars.

However, we are all so versed in the concept of use of Lunar ISRU and even the idea of a US Space Navy (perhaps Coast Guard would be a better analogy) we tend to assume everybody is equally well versed.

Has Senator Cruz been given any information on Lunar Development concepts?

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By: Marcel Williams http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/the-new-space-resources-law-close-but-no-cigar/#comment-4953 Sat, 28 Nov 2015 18:38:14 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=1297#comment-4953 On the surface of the Moon, territorial exclusivity for both nations and for entrepreneurs is probably going to be extremely important– especially in the lunar polar regions that are probably rich in water and carbon.

I have my on ideas on what these rules should be. But I suspect that nations won’t really be concerned about exclusive territorial rights on the Moon until there are permanent outpost on the surface of the Moon.

Marcel

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