Comments on: Property, Problems and Promise of Lunar Dirt http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/property-problems-and-promise-of-lunar-dirt/ Fri, 03 Aug 2018 06:04:06 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.8 By: Joe http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/property-problems-and-promise-of-lunar-dirt/#comment-2355 Tue, 18 Feb 2014 17:01:07 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=740#comment-2355 Just managed to get through to the source website for the “Ben Schiendelman” reference.

It describes him as follows:
Ben Schiendelman joined in 2007 to better consolidate news and information about our upcoming transit expansions, and to build a better base to further grow our system. He previously wrote the blog Higher Frequency, and worked on the 2008 Mass Transit Now campaign. Ben refuses to own a driver’s license.

Note the quote “Ben refuses to own a driver’s license”.

Nope, no bias there.

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By: Marcel Williams http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/property-problems-and-promise-of-lunar-dirt/#comment-2351 Tue, 18 Feb 2014 04:51:31 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=740#comment-2351 Radiation exposure on the lunar surface during the solar minimum is about 30 Rem annually. But it only requires 10 centimeters of lunar regolith to protect astronauts from heavy nuclei and about 2 meters of lunar regolith to reduce radiation exposure to below 5 Rem per year during the solar minimum.

5 Rem per year is the maximum exposure limit for nuclear workers on Earth.

During the solar maximum, of course, radiation levels would be less than half that.

However, there is a community of over 2000 people on Earth, in Iran, that is naturally exposed to 1 to 25 Rem of radiation annually with no signs of any deleterious physical or reproductive effects.

THE HIGH BACKGROUND RADIATION AREA IN RAMSAR IRAN

http://www.wmsym.org/archives/2002/Proceedings/10/434.pdf

Marcel

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By: DougSpace http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/property-problems-and-promise-of-lunar-dirt/#comment-2349 Tue, 18 Feb 2014 00:32:33 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=740#comment-2349 Could one spin the magnet to separate silicates with a small amount of nanophase iron from metallic meteorite bits which are completely metal? Doing so could help reduce the amount of material you would have to melt before separating metal from dross.

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By: Joe http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/property-problems-and-promise-of-lunar-dirt/#comment-2347 Mon, 17 Feb 2014 20:59:04 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=740#comment-2347 Thanks for the post, interesting article, however it is not easy doing lots of things that are still worthwhile doing.

The failure of a newly designed seal is not necessarily a “show stopper” and an article that says simply says “some are wondering”, then quotes only one source (“Ben Schiendelman”) as saying there are better ways to spend the money is not definitive.

A skeptical observer would wonder if “Ben Schiendelman” was an opponent of the project before this setback occurred.

I do not know whether or not this concept is flawed (neither I suspect can you). But I do know that those who try to accomplish things always have a much more difficult task than those that simply want things to not be accomplished. The latter only have to wait for a setback (no matter how major or minor) then call for the project to be shut down.

I would suggest waiting for (a lot) more information before giving up on the tunnel and certainly before assuming such tunneling techniques cannot be used on the moon.

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By: Paul Spudis http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/property-problems-and-promise-of-lunar-dirt/#comment-2344 Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:32:48 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=740#comment-2344 The Soviet Lunakhod rovers of the 1970’s used the same thermal management control as does Yutu — a tiny radioactive “heater” unit to generate warmth and then closing the deployed solar panels at night, which transfers heat to the structure via conduction and also keeps out the dreaded levitated dust. The Lunakhods 1 and 2 survived and operated successfully over the course of multiple lunar nights (11 months and 4 months, respectively).

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By: billgamesh http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/property-problems-and-promise-of-lunar-dirt/#comment-2343 Mon, 17 Feb 2014 02:49:02 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=740#comment-2343 Would it be practical to manufacture conventional explosives from Lunar Resources for blasting out tunnels to live in?

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By: billgamesh http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/property-problems-and-promise-of-lunar-dirt/#comment-2342 Sun, 16 Feb 2014 23:23:03 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=740#comment-2342 http://www.businessinsider.com/work-on-seattles-underground-highway-stalls-2014-2

Not easy boring tunnels. I have a whole new respect for geology after this. Does not bode well for building cities underground. If the regolith goes down a certain depth and then hits rock then maybe a technique built upon that characteristic can to be worked out.

One thing is for sure- the radiation is not going away and a way to build sanctuaries may the critical problem in any Moon base plans. As commented on before I like just putting water overhead in an impact crater but that may not work or be efficient at all.

Has there been any real work (as in money spent and research/experiments performed) done on this subject of what we can build on the Moon I wonder?

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By: gbaikie http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/property-problems-and-promise-of-lunar-dirt/#comment-2341 Sun, 16 Feb 2014 22:23:07 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=740#comment-2341 Do you think opening and closing solar panels was generally good idea in terms of dealing with the lunar night?

Basically what are they doing? Are trying to keep solar panel warm during night or other parts of vehicle?
It seems with solar panel you may want them not to get very hot during day or accept they become less efficient due to them heating up. And may instead be concerned about how cool they get at night- though not sure cold solar panels are an issue.

If the issue is, as reported, that solar panels keep rest of spacecraft warm, would they make a big difference. Or how much warmer would folded panels keep the spacecraft.
I understand less surface area as general rule has large effect- so folding solar panel reduces total surface area of rover. But if solar panel by itself can survive a lunar night then this is not much of issue. Instead the issue is how well does panels kept rest of vehicle warm and is this a good way to keep them warm. Isn’t there better ways of doing this?

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By: Paul Spudis http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/property-problems-and-promise-of-lunar-dirt/#comment-2340 Sun, 16 Feb 2014 09:02:47 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=740#comment-2340 One would first separate the magnetic components of the soil and then melt the product. As metal is much denser than silicate glass, gravity would separate the two components.

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By: DougSpace http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/property-problems-and-promise-of-lunar-dirt/#comment-2339 Sun, 16 Feb 2014 03:58:34 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=740#comment-2339 If all lunar dust is coated with nano phase iron making it very responsive to magnets, how can metals be separated from the regolith?

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