Comments on: Clementine – The Mission, Twenty Years Later http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/clementine-the-mission-twenty-years-later/ Fri, 03 Aug 2018 06:04:06 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.8 By: Paul Spudis http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/clementine-the-mission-twenty-years-later/#comment-2288 Wed, 05 Feb 2014 15:17:23 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=665#comment-2288 They are different products. Clementine made a global map of the Moon in 11 colors in the UV, visible and near-IR at moderate resolution; all images were taken near zero-phase (high sun illumination conditions, which de-emphasize topography). Both Chang’E 1 and 2 mapped the Moon in stereo at relatively low sun angles at higher resolution than Clementine but not in color.

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By: Selvadurai Balasingam http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/clementine-the-mission-twenty-years-later/#comment-2287 Wed, 05 Feb 2014 13:45:47 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=665#comment-2287 How does Clementine’s map of the moon compare with one produced by China’s Chang’e probes.

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By: Chris Castro http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/clementine-the-mission-twenty-years-later/#comment-2267 Fri, 31 Jan 2014 14:33:51 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=665#comment-2267 Yes, indeed, our darling Clementine, played a good role in reviving the scientific community’s awareness that new & surprising data findings could still be made upon the Moon. The little space-probe that could, would point the way towards the future discovery of the Lunar water-ice reserves. The pro-Moon faction of the space-interest community, could afterwards take heart, in such encouraging resource-deposit finds, which could advance the cause for a further round of manned exploration, once the political climate would eventually permit it.
Sadly, the political climate all-too-briefly opened the door of opportunity in 2004, and then closed that door squarely shut in 2010. We still have an ambiguous wait, until the planetary billiards line up in our favor, once more.

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By: Appearance on The Space Show, January 26, 2014 | Spudis Lunar Resources Blog http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/clementine-the-mission-twenty-years-later/#comment-2239 Tue, 28 Jan 2014 16:58:32 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=665#comment-2239 […] ← Clementine – The Mission, Twenty Years Later […]

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By: Warren Platts http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/clementine-the-mission-twenty-years-later/#comment-2222 Thu, 23 Jan 2014 21:11:01 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=665#comment-2222 Another important paper is Hurley et al (2012) which contains the most recent reanalysis of the LRO-LAMP results I’m aware of, and it’s actually free despite being JGR:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2011JE003841/pdf

I did a spreadsheet for the LRO-LAMP. Basically, if you multiply the soil mass abundances of Gladstone et al’s Table 1 atomic species by about 0.33, you’ll get the latest estimate. CO is 1.3% by mass, and H2 was 3.7% by mass of the high velocity (~3.5 km/s), high-angle (within ~15 degrees of vertical), total mass of which was estimated at 3150 kg.

Interestingly, the high-angle plume evidently had a higher kinetic energy than the Centaur impactor (2300 kg @ 2.5 km/s). Since the bulk velocity of the plume is pretty tightly constrained, either the estimate of the plume is too high, or something strange happened to add energy to the plume (possibly involving detonation of monatomic H, which if that’s the case, then PSR regolith is about as explosive as TNT…).

Also, we’ve learned that the high-velocity, high-angle plume was ejected much faster (within < 1 ms) than previously thought and probably much shallower (25 cm average depth) than originally thought.

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By: Mark R. Whittington http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/clementine-the-mission-twenty-years-later/#comment-2217 Thu, 23 Jan 2014 00:12:38 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=665#comment-2217 I remember Clementine with great fondness. It was the mission that made lunar exploration cool again.

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By: Thursday / 23 January 2014 | Lunar Enterprise Daily http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/clementine-the-mission-twenty-years-later/#comment-2216 Wed, 22 Jan 2014 21:55:14 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=665#comment-2216 […] USA Initiative To Realize Robotic & Human Missions To Lunar Poles ASAP, Paul Spudis Reviews Impact Of 1994 Clementine Moon Orbiter On America / World Space Policy; Over 71 Days Mission Collected >2M Images, 1st Global […]

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By: Paul Spudis http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/clementine-the-mission-twenty-years-later/#comment-2213 Wed, 22 Jan 2014 07:20:47 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=665#comment-2213 Doug,

The best compilation of the LCROSS data is in the articles in Science magazine:

Major analysis of plume from LCROSS shepherding satellite:

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/330/6003/463.abstract

Some of the “corrected” data to which you refer is from the LRO-LAMP results:

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/330/6003/472

Unfortunately, these articles are behind a paywall, but you can find the originals in any large public or university library. Also, I suggest that you contact the senior authors of these papers directly (their e-mails are given at the links above) and ask them for a reprint — virtually all authors of scientific papers are happy to do this as a courtesy.

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By: gbaikie http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/clementine-the-mission-twenty-years-later/#comment-2212 Wed, 22 Jan 2014 07:00:32 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=665#comment-2212 I thought is was pivotal point.
And I expected NASA would do more exploration and that within a decade lunar water would be commercially mined.
I tend to be too optimistic.
But I also think 9/11 was disruptive, not just in terms of the Moon but everything NASA was doing.
Currently, I am a bit less optimistic that commercial lunar mining will occur within a decade. And I think now I put more importance on idea of developing depots as something required as a needed step, before commercial lunar mining could begin.
Also more exploration of the Moon seems to be needed before this could happen.

I think if got depot which more than experimental, but got to point of being operational and getting to point before another decade is gone, that this could happen if it happens sooner rather than later, then perhaps commercial mining could begin within a decade.

I also think NASA needs a plan for ISS which does not include de-orbiting it. So ISS needs to be put in orbit which is more permanent.
So if within 5 years, a depot(s) is built and permanent solution for ISS can be arrived
at, perhaps this create environment where commercial lunar mining could begin with a decade. But this a bit unrealistic to expect NASA to move this fast.

Though it might not be something NASA does [or starts], European Space Agency might come to conclusion that only solution for Ariane and their spaceport is develop a depot in LEO.
Or longer odds of occurring any time soon, China decides it needs a depot in LEO.
Or maybe US military decides it needs a depot.

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By: DougSpace http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/clementine-the-mission-twenty-years-later/#comment-2210 Wed, 22 Jan 2014 00:16:07 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=665#comment-2210 Is there a place where the percentages of the LCROSS volatiles are listed? I understand that there was a mathematical error made in the initial report and that CO, for example, was about 1/5th of the 5.7% which it was listed as. It is the nitrogen that I am particularly interested in.

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