Comments on: American Exceptionalism and Space Exploration http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/american-exceptionalism-and-space-exploration/ Fri, 03 Aug 2018 06:04:06 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.8 By: Why We’re Not Going To Mars | Spudis Lunar Resources Blog http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/american-exceptionalism-and-space-exploration/#comment-3117 Thu, 19 Jun 2014 18:13:06 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=625#comment-3117 […] lack an understanding of history. They are not motivated by an understanding and belief in American exceptionalism – the foundation that animated past generations to greatness. They have not learned (or have not […]

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By: Michael Wright http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/american-exceptionalism-and-space-exploration/#comment-2113 Wed, 01 Jan 2014 18:42:53 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=625#comment-2113 Somewhat related to this discussion, maybe this pdf illustrates American Exceptionalism of the past. It has been written much of the titans (chip manufacturers) of Silicon Valley were mostly driven by DOD programs. Sam Araki, from Lockheed Martin and one of the first team members for the Corona Program, did a presentation in 2011,
http://www.incose.org/sfbac/2011events/111108Presentation-50YearsInSpace_v5.pdf
Mr. Araki mentioned slide 4 shows our system is broken unlike the past where it was able to recover.

Mr. Araki said buildup of military and space during Cold War also resulted in significant benefits to the consumer and commercial markets for the US. Same technology developed for missiles and spacecraft like Corona satellites were also used to develop consumer products. But not for Soviet Union because of their way of government and doing business.

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By: billgamesh http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/american-exceptionalism-and-space-exploration/#comment-2105 Tue, 31 Dec 2013 17:32:53 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=625#comment-2105 Thanks David, I agree mostly. But then, nobody ever seems to agree with anyone completely, do they? Everyone has their own plan, their own agenda, their own vision of the future.

“-it was cancelled because nobody has the clout (nevermind the courage) to lead on this issue-”

The only way we made it to the Moon was fear of the communists taking over the world. Only fear trumps greed. If we want anything to happen I think we need to find another enemy and the only ones that scare me are outbreaks and impacts. Space just happens to be the answer to both these threats.

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By: David Dickson http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/american-exceptionalism-and-space-exploration/#comment-2096 Tue, 31 Dec 2013 05:51:32 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=625#comment-2096 Indeed, China is thinking ahead as to what they will do on and with the moon decades from now. But the problem in the United States is not that we are NOT thinking or planning about these things. The problem is that we are thinking and planning about these things in isolated private fiefdoms–none of which are trusted by Americans writ large to competently act on their thoughts and plans.

Sure, Elon Musk is putting forward big plans for space exploration, as is Richard Branson, as are several different parts of NASA, as are several different members of Congress, as are several different agencies in the executive branch. And they are working with great optimism and gusto, yes they are. But is there anyone COORDINATING all this brainstorming, planning, and optimism? No.

And do we, the American people, trust anyone in government–or even business!– to do any coordination? Hells, SEVEN hells, no. We’ve seen how this plays out via the Constellation program–it was cancelled partly as revenge against the Bush administration, partly as a result of bureaucratic infighting in NASA, partly as a result of “boondoggle”-hating anti-manned-space “deficit hawks” in Congress, with the bad economy as a convenient excuse. But in the bigger picture, it was cancelled because nobody has the clout (nevermind the courage) to lead on this issue–and because the American people, bless their hearts, are not good followers right now. They don’t want to be “led”, on space or anything else. They want to bunker up, and pray to God that everyone, up to and including China, Russia, and possibly Mother Nature Herself, leaves them alone.

Until we stop being a risk-averse body politic, and deserve good leadership, we will not get it. We will stay the heck off the moon and Mars, and we will continue to act like an emotionally scarred nation–paranoid and averse to do anything truly bold, while kvetching all the while about all the “bad leadership” that we get, but truly deserve.

P.S. And anyone tempted to blame Constellation’s closure on “ideologues” in the current administration who “hate American exceptionalism”–well, to be blunt, it’s a nice fantasy, but it’s projection at best. If there’s anyone the current administration “hates” on the issue of space, it’s people who make big plans, and then fail to act on them or fund them competently–like some other administrations we could name.

Which makes them hypocrites to an extent, but so these things go.

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By: Le lapin chinois qui perturbe la NASA | Scilogs.fr : Prospective spatialeProspective spatiale http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/american-exceptionalism-and-space-exploration/#comment-1971 Sun, 22 Dec 2013 17:47:31 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=625#comment-1971 […] build and profit from the inevitable transportation system to be built in cislunar space » écrit Paul Spudis, un géologue planétaire américain […]

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By: Robert Clark http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/american-exceptionalism-and-space-exploration/#comment-1970 Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:53:55 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=625#comment-1970 Renewed Congressional Push for a NASA Return to the Moon.
Sparked by Chinese Chang’e 3/Jade Rabbit.
Mark Whittington, Yahoo Contributor Network
Dec 21, 2013

COMMENTARY | One salutary thing about the Chinese landing the Chang’e 3/Jade Rabbit probe on the lunar surface is that it has caused a new congressional push for an American return to the moon. But will President Obama heed it?
Rep. Frank Wolf, R-VA, the chairman of the appropriations subcommittee that funds NASA, has sent the president a letter in which he urges him to hold a White House conference gathering the best minds, not only in the United States, but from among America’s international allies, to devise a lunar exploration program to start within ten years. The coalition that would return to the moon would include such entrepreneurial companies such as Golden Spike and Moon Express.
Wolf is retiring at the end of the current Congress. The man who is likely to replace him as chief House NASA appropriation, John Culberson, echoed Wolf’s sentiments in a recent interview. Culberson specifically singled out the presence of rare earth elements, which have become crucial for making high tech products, on the moon as a rationale for going and for not allowing the Chinese to be the sole lunar explorer.

http://voices.yahoo.com/renewed-congressional-push-nasa-return-the-12463138.html

Bob Clark

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By: reader http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/american-exceptionalism-and-space-exploration/#comment-1962 Thu, 19 Dec 2013 07:53:20 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=625#comment-1962 Unfortunately they are not even on a Quest for Life Elsewhere. They are explicitly on a quest of “could a particular planet in the very distant past actually have supported some kind of basic form of life?”

If it was “Quest for Life”, funding for Europa and Titan would be far above Mars funding.

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By: Michael Wright http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/american-exceptionalism-and-space-exploration/#comment-1961 Wed, 18 Dec 2013 22:40:15 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=625#comment-1961 That article “one legged stools” which Reader linked reminded me what Dennis Wingo wrote in his book “Moon Rush” and a chapter discussed in about late 1980s SEI (or whatever it was called) of plans for expansion that was followed by the Augustine commission in 1990 (or early 90s). Though price tag scared many, it was later recommended to pursue the “intangibles.” This meant after 17 years (from Apollo 17) the plans to go BEO all went poof.

Supposably that commission was mostly planetary scientists that had no interest in building lunar outposts, fuel depots, etc. I forget the details from the book. Moon Rush has lots of interesting details on space history of what worked and what didn’t and why.

I remember watching the 2009 Augustine Commission II hearings on NASA TV and Dennis speaking during commentaries of which he said, “20 years ago I was in front this commission as an angry young student.” He then said something of like, “I’m back to say it is important of what this commission presents because it will determine what our plans are for next 20 years.” I recorded the video, need to watch it again (maybe post it to youtube).

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By: Paul Spudis http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/american-exceptionalism-and-space-exploration/#comment-1960 Wed, 18 Dec 2013 08:53:07 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=625#comment-1960 Just to be clear, I do not think that the “Quest for Life Elsewhere” is an adequate justification for civil space. I write about that issue here:

http://blogs.airspacemag.com/moon/2013/09/the-quest-for-life-elsewhere-rationale-for-a-space-program/

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By: gbaikie http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/american-exceptionalism-and-space-exploration/#comment-1959 Wed, 18 Dec 2013 02:43:02 +0000 http://spudislunarresources.nss.org/blog/?p=625#comment-1959 A quote from article:
“Unless life turns up on Mars, or somewhere even more unexpected, public interest in the whole thing is likely to wane. And it is the public that pays for it all.”

Why should the public in general care about life on Mars?
Scientifically I see how it’s interesting.
I find the “black smokers” on our the ocean, very interesting.
Example:
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/savageseas/deep-side-smokers.html

few scientific discoveries match the significant of this discovery in the 20th century.
Let me make short list: Impactors hitting Earth in present age, plate tectonic theory being accepted as true. The Mid-Atlantic Ridge confirmed: “The existence of such a ridge was confirmed by sonar in 1925”, which exploration resulted in giving weight to theory of plate tectonic. Black smoker, dispelling myth that life was non-existent in deep oceans, and allows to imagine there could be life on Mars or Europa. The discovery life starting at around 3.8 billion ago, on planet Earth. Of course understanding nature of impactors related to the Moon, allowed the theory of extinction of age Dinosaurs being caused impactor, of which impact crater in in Mexico.
Such things this are profoundly important in terms of science.
But other than interesting trivia, does public care about them?

No.
And they should not care too much about them. They have far more important thing to concern themselves with.
So I believe the public would wrong if it decided that black smokers were so important the tens of billion of dollars per year should spent understanding them. And I think black smoker are far more important to the public than any alien life one could find on Mars.

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